081.2: The Fall; OT Lesson 4 (Study Notes)

January 22, 2014

Engaging Gospel Doctrine

“Because of My Transgression My Eyes Are Opened”

This portion of the episode discusses the Adam and Eve narrative in historical and literary context, proposes theories of the Fall across the belief spectrum, and brings in insights from psychology to the question of human nature and improvement.

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Class Member Reading:Moses 4; 5:1-15; 6:48-62; 2 Nephi 2:22–23; 9:6-10; Genesis 3:16–23

Additional Reading: 1 Corinthians 15:20–22; 2 Nephi 2:5–30; Helaman 14:15–18; D&C 19:15–19; 29:34–44; Articles of Faith 1:2; “Fall of Adam,” Bible Dictionary

Other Reading: Genesis 2; 3

Heidi and Justin continue the discussion.

You can access the Annotated Reading here (or PDF)

You can access the Lesson Notes here (or PDF)

Timeline 

Lesson Part 2

0:00        Overview

1:07        Genesis 2-3 (JPS)

3:53        1st Tim 2

Study Notes

7:06        Adam and Eve Historical and Literary Perspective

12:30     Different Interpretations of the Fall

16:58     Science and Philosophy of Human Nature

Discussion Part 2

31:41     Biblical Narratives

43:57     Flaming Sword and Cherubim

Discussion Part 3

47:35     Adam and Eve Down the Rabbit Hole: Eden in a Bubble

56:31     Adam and Eve Down the Rabbit Hole: Great Leap Forward

1:04:12  Adam and Eve Down the Rabbit Hole: Born Fallen

1:11:58  Adam and Eve Down the Rabbit Hole: Symbolic Fall and Atonement

1:16:03  All Interpretations are (equally) Sacred

Resources

The Fall

Human Nature, Morality, and Free Will

Change

 

Thanks to William Newman for content editing and James Estrada for audio editing, and to to Steven Nelson for the beautiful bumper music.

3 Responses to “081.2: The Fall; OT Lesson 4 (Study Notes)”

  1. Michael Says:

    I personally like to think of the fall as a theological construct that teaches of man’s relationship with God. However I do have another theory for how a literal fall can coincide with science: The Earth was in a telestial state during the creation process. During this state, death reproduction, and evololution were taking place. Then when the earth was ready, the earth was transformed in the same manner that it will be transformed at the millennium into a paradise state. Then it fell back to telestial after the fall.

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  2. Haggoth Says:

    I haven’t finished the podcast yet, so perhaps you covered this, but I never noticed before that in Moses 4, 5-7, Satan is a separate and distinct being from the serpent. Satan puts it into the heart of the serpent, a separate being, to speak the words of temptation:
    “And Satan put it into the heart of the serpent, (for he had drawn away many after him,) and he sought also to beguile Eve, for he knew not the mind of God, wherefore he sought to destroy the world. And he said unto the woman: Yea, hath God said—Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? (And he spake by the mouth of the serpent.)”

    This narrative tugs a bit at our traditional construct of the narrative. The first to fall to Satan’s temptation was not Eve, but the serpent. I note also the past-tense reference that Satan “had drawn away many after him” of which the serpent was only one. Combine that with the giants and others who are not Adam and Eve’s children running around and it gets easier to understand that Adam and Eve’s “fall” was not the first introduction to temptation, sin or death.

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  3. Jason Says:

    I was wondering if it would be a good time to comment on the theology of Brigham Young. I often ponder the ideas he had and why he did… I am referring to the Adam/God doctrine he taught for 30+ Years.

    Jared I was wondering if it would be ok to address this doctrine and perhaps some of ideas and how they impacted the belief of those he had direct contact with.

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